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3 new laws in the USA: in Texas, Vermont and Nevada

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Mfkfznfp    1

3 new unjust laws (banning sex with animals) have been recently made in the United States: in Texas, Vermont and Nevada. The Texas law makes it a felony and sex offender registry offense, and the Vermont/Nevada laws make it a misdemeanor. These laws are wrong and unjust. Also, there is currently a bill in Wisconsin which would make sex with animals a felony in that state (it is a misdemeanor right now). Also, there were two bills (in Kentucky and West Virginia) earlier this year that would have banned sex with animals, but failed to pass. All of this is 2017 stuff.

Last year, Ohio and New Hampshire banned sex with animals. New Hampshire's new law makes it a 2nd-offense felony and a sex offender registry offense in that state. Also, last year Oregon made it a felony, and banned making AND possessing zoo pornography.

HSUS says they are going from state to state to get legislators to ban it everywhere.

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And why are these laws "unjust"?  As far as I am concerned, I don´t see banning of interspecies sex as unjust, especially if you take into account the many cases of animals being injured or even killed by "zoophiles". Unreglemented "zoophilia" surely is the heaven for all those "adventurous" folks, the pervs, the thrillseekers....but it would be hell for any animal. And btw, making the act illegal just closes a legal loophole for animal porn producers.

How does a changed legal situation affect any decent and moderate zoo? If you keep your doors shut as well as your mouth, no one will ever know what you´re doing behind your bedroom/barn door. Usually, it´s only the morons and unhinged idiots running into trouble with the authorities...oftentimes, the so called "desperate zoo unable to afford an animal of his own" is just an asshole who wants to do some cherry picking...fucking an animal? Oh yes! But taking the responsibilities for it..."hell no, I just wanna fuck!".

I can only repeat the words of Silke Lautenschläger, the initiator of Germany´s new law against interspecies sexual contact: "What once was a relatively tolerable(!) weird sexual activity of but a few , isolated individuals has now, in the era of the internet, become an online sex cult , a dangerous one with connections to international criminals (animal porn mafia). What once was the business of some loners living with their animal has now become an organised structure with mainly negative and bad goals.

I can only second that and also state that these laws did not come out of nowhere. Or does anybody think our lawmakers desperately want to deal with animal fuckery? No, our own conduct has made these laws inevitable. Because we, our community, couldn´t control ourselves, authorities came in to control us. It´s really as easy as that. 

 

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silverwolf1    192
5 minutes ago, 30-30 said:

And why are these laws "unjust"?  As far as I am concerned, I don´t see banning of interspecies sex as unjust, especially if you take into account the many cases of animals being injured or even killed by "zoophiles". Unreglemented "zoophilia" surely is the heaven for all those "adventurous" folks, the pervs, the thrillseekers....but it would be hell for any animal. And btw, making the act illegal just closes a legal loophole for animal porn producers.

How does a changed legal situation affect any decent and moderate zoo? If you keep your doors shut as well as your mouth, no one will ever know what you´re doing behind your bedroom/barn door. Usually, it´s only the morons and unhinged idiots running into trouble with the authorities...oftentimes, the so called "desperate zoo unable to afford an animal of his own" is just an asshole who wants to do some cherry picking...fucking an animal? Oh yes! But taking the responsibilities for it..."hell no, I just wanna fuck!".

I can only repeat the words of Silke Lautenschläger, the initiator of Germany´s new law against interspecies sexual contact: "What once was a relatively tolerable(!) weird sexual activity of but a few , isolated individuals has now, in the era of the internet, become an online sex cult , a dangerous one with connections to international criminals (animal porn mafia). What once was the business of some loners living with their animal has now become an organised structure with mainly negative and bad goals.

I can only second that and also state that these laws did not come out of nowhere. Or does anybody think our lawmakers desperately want to deal with animal fuckery? No, our own conduct has made these laws inevitable. Because we, our community, couldn´t control ourselves, authorities came in to control us. It´s really as easy as that. 

 

Some folks won't appreciate why, but I couldn't agree more. I've said since 1997 basically the same thing. Legal bestiality threatens the non-human more than illegal bestiality threatens the zoophile. The laws will affect only the porn producers, the fence-hoppers, the thrill seeking morons who care only about getting their jollies. The odd un-careful zoo might get caught because of the laws, but the majority are going to be totally unaffected by them. 

I'll take these laws right now to protect the animals, even if I become one of those un-careful few, until a better protection for the animals comes along. The laws aren't perfect, but they're the best the animals have right now. Zoophilia ain't about the people after all, not in my book anyway...

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Rannoch    26

No comments about it being a sex registry offense when it MAY not be abusive, I assume?

Hell, innocent until proven guilty must not be a thing anymore.  If it was, you'd understand why they are unjust.

 

The fact that I'm explaining this is frankly, depressing.

  Also animal abuse is already covered by wait for it...  animal abuse laws!

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Still not getting the point, Rannoch, huh?

We´re NOT living in a "zoo" world with the "normals" being allowed to participate in....it´s still the other way around. Sex offender registry? It may just be me as an owner of horses, but I can absolutely relate to people demanding to know whether their animals are safe from the neighbor that just recently moved in and is lurking around the horses...hypothetically spoken, ´cause I don´t have any neighbors, of course.

Fact is that you´re basically like a climate change denier...since 99,99% of all scientists see bestiality as abusive and only a few "scientists" like Miletski and Beetz are speaking in favour of it, you don´t even have science to back up your outlandish claims. Also, having the experience of living in a country that kept "zoophilia" legal until July 2013 (Germany), witnessing how many of my fellow countrymen and -women abused that "legality" for fencehopping (Espenau case, you remember?), for publishing animal porn (the Ramstein/Reuschbach case of BF user Caballogermany) and for a whole lot of other highly dubious things, I´d say that anyone who shares the same kind of perspective as you do is seriously exaggerating the effects of bestiality being outlawed. IF a zoophile is keeping a low profile AND puts an extra effort into remaining that way, chances of him running into trouble with authorities are practically zero, zilch, not existent. Or can you point me out just ONE zoo who stuck to all the safety rules and still got into legal trouble? Anyone who ran into trouble basically handed over incriminating evidence of his illegal sex acts himself...being a loudmouth about it in the internet also falls under this category, mind you. And if the laws are so bad, how it comes not one of ZETA has been arrested already? 

Demanding total "legailty" of fucking animals is as moronic as demanding free heroin sales at your local grocery store. It was our community that couldn´t offer society a better way of dealing with zoophilia, mainly because such mouthpieces as you insist on total "legality"...but what you are really up to is not being held responsible for your actions, is it? Fact is, the government has a legitimate interest is keeping animals from unnecessary harm. Bestiality might inflict harm onto animals, and it´s not "hateful" to take all the abusive videos that are out there in the net as a litmus test for the idea of "interspecies sex". I don´t blame authorities for drawing conclusions on the base of what has been offered as evidence. 

 

If you cannot come up with anything else than "just leave us alone", I doubt anything will change. And it would suit you well if you wisen up, grow out of your juvenile mindset and accept the world as it IS, not as you want it to be. As I told you so many times before, your mindset isn´t the solution, it´s a vast part of the problem.

 

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silverwolf1    192

Folks, You are close to delving into personalities in your replies. Please refrain from doing so. 

To all in this thread, Remember to keep discussion completely civil lest the topic ( a quite interesting debate IMO) be locked.

Thank you,

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Rannoch    26

If animal abuse laws covered all bestiality blanket-style, we wouldn't need the bestiality laws in the first place.  Fact is, they only cover abusive acts, which is already ideal.  Fuck it, it's like explaining to a brick wall.

 

All I will say in closing is that "innocent until proven guilty" is a mindset the majority claim to hold in America, and it is not a "juvenile mindset" or "part of the problem."  Don't try to pass off such a ridicules idea as credible.  Just seeing this attitude as prevalent here is quite sickening.

I have no interest in debating this further.  Honestly, given the context of this argument and the ugliness it has brought out, I think that extends to this entire forum.

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silverwolf1    192

I think my message above was an adequate attempt at removing "ugliness" from this debate, but if you feel it has not, I won't try to encourage you to continue posting here.

Let me be clear about what I see as unnecessary in the above replies to the original posting however:

ANY AND ALL PERSONAL INSULTS HAVE NO PLACE IN PROPER DEBATE! This includes insult in return for insult given. I see it in 30-30s replies and in Rannochs replies, and have seen it in other members and other topics. I will now institute one warning for such behavior, followed by moderated posts by the member, followed by banning. If this fails to put a stop to this trend, I will be forced to close the forum as I have no desire to have this behavior associated with my name or my forum. I'll be adding this clarification, in a slightly shortened version, to the general rules as well.

Meanwhile, this topic will be locked.

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